Command Seminar 
Stardate 10207.27 2200 
Conference Room #The_Big_Chair 
Hosted By: Captain K’Beth T’Kar Commanding Officer of the USS Delphyne

******************************************************************************************

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::looks up to see Fox come in.  Steals a glance at his pips and grins:: Pretty nice promotion from Lt....all in one day too.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K’Beth:  Yeah, well, you know when your father in law is in Intelligence, you'd be surprised at the interesting pictures of Senior officers you come across.  How have you been?

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Walks over to shake her hand.::

RADM_Silek says:
::enters the room and takes a seat in the before last row of the room::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::sees the RAdm come in:: RAdm: Sir.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::shakes Fox's hand:: So how are you doing?

RADM_Silek says:
::nods:: K`Beth: ::in a tolerable accent:: NuqNequ Captain.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: Well.  I'm back at work now.  After my two year vacation dealing with a baby.  I'll be glad to only have to fight the Borg.

CIV_Llewellyn says:
::hears Fox and chuckles, glad to hear he and August are doing well::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::chuckles:: Fox: Will make a nice vacation from the baby, eh?

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Looks around and sees other familiar faces.  Can't quite place Lieutenant though.::

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::smiles at K'Beth and Fox before taking her seat::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: Well, I don't know whether to be proud or chagrinned that the command staff for the Del is here to learn how to give orders.  ::Chuckles::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::grins at Sy and then looks pointedly at Fox's pips:: So what's the deal with those?  I never thought I'd see the day when I have more brass than you.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Slowly walks in and takes a seat at the back.::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::takes a seat in the back figuring the Delphyne crew doesn't really remember her::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::grins:: I think my XO is gunning for my chair.  ::makes certain that Sy can hear her::

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::throw a joking glare at K'Beth::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: Well, August decided that there could only be one Captain in the family.  She pulled seniority on me.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: I'm pretty sure it is against the Khitomer accords to order a subordinate to change a diaper.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::chuckles:: Good, you need someone that outranks you to keep an eye on you.  You said you were back at work...what are you doing?

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Taps on his PADD and sends a message to his children.::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: Well, based somewhat on our experiences with the combat runabouts on the Del, I have accepted a position as Flight Operations Officer on the Tal-War.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Smiles and nods to Captain Royce, whom he's met in a few other Seminars.  Then smiles brighter as he sees his previous Counselor.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::smiles and nods at the people that just walked in::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Nods to Cmdr Corjet. ::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::a bit distracted with the class:: Fox: Whew....that's no picnic.  Bet you're having the time of your life, though.

CO_West says:
::Enters room, takes seat in an interesting place and takes out her PADD, Noticing so many familiar faces, she smiles::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth:  Alright Captain, teach me something.  ::Chuckles and goes to get a seat near Tarrez::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::shakes her head grinning and looks around at the audience.  Looks at her chronometer and sees that it is time::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::walks up to the podium and sets her PADD down::  Hello, I am Captain K'Beth T'Kar.  Commanding Officer of the USS Delphyne.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Smiles and nods greetings.::

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::smiles::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Welcome to the Command Seminar.  During the course of the next hour I hope to show you all aspects of command and allow you a taste of the every day decisions that a CO may have to make.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Tonight is going to be a bit more than a lecture... I'm going to throw out different scenarios.  Some real, some imaginary and I'll let you ::points out at everyone:: decide the correct course of actions.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::grins:: But first, the lecture part, otherwise they won't validate my parking.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Giggles quietly.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
As every CO will tell you...the safety of the ship and her crew are paramount.  But even then there is a chance that you may have to  sacrifice the lives of everyone on board...down to the last child in the line of duty without ever knowing if there is a favorable outcome.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::looks seriously at everyone for a moment and then breaks out into a grin:: But on the lighter side...you get the corner office with the view and get to sit in the comfy chair.  Not forgetting to mention the really cool coffee mug that says "Because I'm the Captain, that's why..." on it.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::starts to pace slowly around the stage::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Figures they must have finally fixed the lumpy chair::

CO_West says:
::Chuckles a bit, making a note to get one of those cups before she leaves::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
The every day life of a Captain is filled with paperwork, paperwork and more paperwork.  Every major decision needs to be funneled through the CO's office.  Most of the time the decisions have already been made by the XO and department heads, but the final yea or nay is always decreed by the Captain.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
A good CO would not just rubber stamp everything but find the time to read each PADD that crosses their desk...which leads to another downside to command. Very difficult to have a personal life.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Very few CO's have what would be considered a 'normal' family life and the ones that do tend to find themselves weighing family against command. ::pauses and thinks for a moment:: You know...I just seemed to have painted a bleak picture about command, didn't I?  So why would anyone want it?  It's stressful, aggravating, exhausting...::smiles::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Nods knowing the time she spends reading reports and whatnot. ::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Sees Serena and waves her over. ::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::nods to the Captain that just entered and continues::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::smiles as she spot Xen and heads over to the empty seat beside her::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
And the best damn feeling in the world.  When you sit in that center chair and you see your crew going about their jobs with efficiency and professionalism the feeling of pride and, yes even humility, at having the honor to command these individuals makes up for every frustrating moment there is.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Nods, remembering those days::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Smiles warmly at Serena and whispers. ::   Serena:  You just made it.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::smiles and nods at the Adm that just walked in::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Not only that...it's also the challenge ::her eyes start to twinkle:: The challenge to find the best possible solution.  To win a conflict and to supercede all expectations.  To be the best.

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
Xen: Sorry I'm late but some people like to talk and talk...

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::stops and looks at everyone in the audience and then breaks out into another grin:: Plus...you never have to clean your own quarters...or do your own laundry.

Adm_Tracer says:
::Quietly takes a seat::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Nods at Serena. ::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Any questions so far?

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Giggles to himself.::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Shakes his head "no."::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::nods to the Capt Serok and looks around at the audience:: Okay....then let's put you in the driver's seat for a few minutes.

CO_Capt_Serok says:
:: nods to Capt K`Beth::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Wouldn't have come if he had known there was a quiz::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::looks over at a rather strange looking rear admiral and nods::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Sighs as he remembers being told that he's now in command of the U.S.S. Erie.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::grins:: We'll start of easy. Scenario: A strange ship decloaks off of the port bow and fires damaging your ship inflicting casualties and creating a hull breach.  Your shields and weapons are still on-line but failing.  What do you do?

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::whispers to Xen:: Xen: Hide. :;giggles::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Anyone? ::looks around::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Raises his hand::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Stifles the urge to laugh out loud...but whispers back... ::   Serena:  Captain!

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::thinks to herself what she'd do but wonders what others more experienced in command would do::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Thinks to himself: "Probably get Damage Control Teams on the weapons and shields with their top priority of securing the hull breach.  Then maneuver for retreat and hail them.  Looks around.::

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::is afraid that she would be wrong::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::points at Fox:: Yes, Cmdr. ::still finds it hard to say that::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: You have to go to red alert, take evasive action to buy some time, and try to hail the ship.  See if there is a misunderstanding or a mistake.  The important thing is the time it will give you to consider options.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::nods:: Everyone agree?

CO_Capt_Serok says:
Go to red alert, divert power to shields and then get a team working on repairs.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Nods to some degree.::

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::nods and realizes that she would have been wrong... she didn't think of the evasive action::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::looks at Captain Serok:: Yes.  But don't forget to hail them.

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::looks at the CO cautiously and wonders if the captain read her mind::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::looks at the CEO:: You seemed hesitant in agreeing.  Did you have an alternate solution?

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Blushes as he's being put on the spot.:: K'Beth: Well, I'd probably get Damage Control Teams on the weapons and shields with their top priority of securing the hull breach.  Then maneuver for retreat and hail them.  Basically the same... ::Blushes again.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::smiles at the blushing engineer:: And that would be a good solution. And actually you were the first person in all of the seminars to specifically address the hull breach. ::smiles again::

Adm_Tracer says:
::Takes notes of all the Captains reactions::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Smiles and nods.:: K'Beth: Well.. I am an Engineer sir. ::Giggles.::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::smiles thinks: Well of course the Engineer would address such a thing.... I'd figure my CEO would do that with out my telling him to::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::grins at him and continues:: All: Okay that one was pretty easy.  Now for the hard decisions.  ::sobers a bit::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
K'Beth: A bit hard to do evasive maneuvers if you have a serious hull breach.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Decides not to mention the fact that a good Engineering team would be fixing that without being told.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Scenario: There are hostages being held on a war torn planet.  You are ordered to go in and get the hostages out by any means necessary.  Negotiations have failed and the terrorists have already killed one hostage in cold blood. The statistics show that there will be a 30% survival rate among the hostages and a 20% survival rate among the rescuers.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Smiles with a grin as he knows many things on a starship or Starbase are automated.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
The terrorists are demanding that you turn over your weapons and all of your supplies to them otherwise they will continue killing the hostages. What do you do?

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Sighs as he thinks a moment, figuring that he only has a couple of moments to think.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::sits down on the edge of the stage and looks out at the audience, letting them mull this one over::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Lets someone else go first this time::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::raises a hand::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
Try to buy time and get a team of specialists to go in and extract the hostages, using deadly force if necessary.

Capt_Ahkileez says:
::slips in the door and stands at the back::

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::shifts uncomfortably::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
One at a time please.  ::points to the CIV:: yes, Lt.

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
:;pulls out a PADD and begins her laborious note taking again::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
I had a question on this... where did these statistics arise from?

RADM_Silek says:
::nods at his wife's comment::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Various analysis of rescue simulations run through the computer.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Thinks "Hmmm, interesting question.  If it is Starfleet Intelligence then the hostages are either already dead, or the terrorists have left for Risa."::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::furrows brow:: Oh alright....

Capt_Ahkileez says:
::slips his arms behind him and leans against the wall::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::looks back over at Capt Serok:: Would you still go in with the analysis showing those odds?

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::thinks she would go for it::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
Yes, I would.  The needs of the many out weigh the need of the one or the few.

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::.looks at the handsome man with the great knees that just came in and smiles::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::nods:: Anyone else?

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Raises his hand again::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
K'Beth: Form Strike Teams to attack the terrorists with a backup team trying to setup transporter enhancers to get a lock on the hostages, so they can beam them out just as the fire fight begins...  With a little luck it might be possible to get them out before any are killed.

Capt-Royce says:
:: Jots a few notes on a PADD. ::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
But there are other factors not given...  If at all possible, use the ships phasers set on high stun and wide beam dispersal pattern...  Many ways...

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::leans over to Xen:: Xen: Any idea who that is? ::points to the man::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
CEO: Good suggestion about the Strike team.  ::points at Fox:: Cmdr?

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: Can we assume all the easy solutions have been ruled out?  Beaming the hostages up?  Stunning the whole place with low powered ship's phasers, that kind of thing?

Capt-Royce says:
:: Looks than shakes her head. ::  Serena:  No idea...however...he does look familiar.

CO_West says:
::Smiles, cause she know who that man is, she is so proud::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Listens intently.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
I realize that these are generalized scenarios and many factors are unknown...but yes, I would say that all of the easy solutions have been explored and either deemed to dangerous or not viable.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: Then, next question, who are these terrorists?  Are they technologically advanced?  How much would they benefit from the weapons we may give them?

Capt-Royce says:
K'Beth:  Are they biologically enhanced?

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::bites the corner of her lip and doesn't think it wise to give in to them::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Giggles as he thinks of disabling the weapons and setting a charge in them so that they explode with a stunning effect and let the Strike Teams know that it's time for them to move in.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
I'd say they were the equivalent technologically of any colony.  Humanoid.  Have been at war for years.  The hostages are Federation.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: My reasoning is this; If we give in to their demands, and secure the hostages, we could then neutralize the Terrorists.  Or, perhaps, give them faulty weapons.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: The idea is to get the hostages out of harm's way.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: We could always destroy their ship or base afterwards.

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::smiles as there was more to the plan than just giving in... knows that she is not ready for the big chair::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
And what if the planet is not Federation?

Capt-Royce says:
K'Beth:  These terrorists could be genetically enhanced...breed only to fight and react to any show of violence.

CO_Capt_Serok says:
:: raises her hand ::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
True.  Okay, let's flesh this out a bit more.  Non-federation planet, captured Federation civilians that went there for evaluation of trade.  Humanoid , technologically our equals,  not much else is known.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Then thinks about using overwhelming force in the forms of Strike Teams, but knows that's very risky.  Then starts thinking some more.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::points to Serok:: Yes Captain.

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  You stated that negotiations broke down.  Then, there is little reasoning to be done with them.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Sighs.:: Self: Time is of the essence in such cases...

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  Therefore, I believe then in this case force would be necessary.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Nods in agreement.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Correct.  And they have already killed one hostage and will continue doing so until their demands are met.

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::nods believe force is a  must:::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
What about what Cmdr Fox suggested.  Did the fact that the planet is non-Federation change anything?

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::sees Vekh enter, is happy to see him::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::tries to subtly motion him over::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::enters the room and scans the audience for known faces::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  Then I see no alternative then to assemble a strike team.  Naturally, I would still have my crew try and extract them via transporters, but I would go ahead with the assault.

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: Well, the ground attack option has been proven to have a less-than desired outcome, unless of course luck plays a big role.  Therefore, I believe guile should be used.  And, as for their non-Federation status, you stated "Any means necessary"

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
So this would over ride the Prime Directive?

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::raises hand::

Adm_Tracer says:
::Raises Eyebrow as Prime directive is mentioned::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::points to Tarrez:: Tarrez: yes, Cmdr.

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  In this instance, yes, I believe it would.  They have taken hostages.

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
I believe that either way you handle  the situation would violate the Prime Directive would it not?

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::spots Heather and quietly walks over to her::

LtCmdr_Lys_Talan says:
:: enters quietly in the back and takes a seat ::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::notices his former crewmate, now Captain Serok:: Self: long time no see

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::whispers:: XO: Nice to see you, Commander. :;smiles::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Would anyone like to address her question?

CO_Capt_Serok says:
Vekh:  Commander.

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  I would Captain.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Sighs as he knows that "Non-Federation" laws have to be abided by and that the laws of the planet that they're on would have to be at least a guideline for any actions taken. But then also knows that the lives of the Federation Citizens would also be a factor.  Gets a bit confused as to which laws would apply as they're not his cup of tea.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Please do, Capt.

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::whispers back:: CIV: Hello Lieutenant. Hopefully I managed to get here ::turns at Serok's words:: CO: Greetings Captain. Nice to see you again

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
Tarrez: Well, giving them weapons would certainly be a violation.  However, my argument is that they won't get to keep them.  ::Grins::

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::smiles at his technicality::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::grins at Fox's comment::

RADM_Silek says:
::nods to Commander Vekh::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
XO: They are talking about a doosey of a situation....  hostages being taken by terrorists with demands of weapons... on a non federation world... man command is tough. ::whispered::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  In this instance, they have taken hostages.  If we did not violate the prime directive when the federation citizens went to negotiate then I believe that we aren't in violation until we use force.

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::spots Silek this turn and gives a satisfied nod at seeing him::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  Once negotiations have broken down, we have no choice.

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::sits by the CIV's side trying to get a hold of what's going on::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Raises his hand again::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
CIV: Tough indeed, I’m seeing it first hand ::smiles::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
But what about giving into their demands?  Giving federation supplies and weapons over would definitely void the Prime Directive.  ::grins at Fox:: Even if they don't get to keep them.

CO_Capt_Serok says:
Vekh:  Good to see you again Commander.

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::raises hand::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
So here we have the situation in a nutshell.  Void the Prime Directive...something that we have sworn to uphold above all else and get, hopefully, most of the hostages safely home...or lose many lives in a rescue attempt.

Capt_Ahkileez says:
::leans his back against the wall fully and folds his arms in front of him::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::points to the CIV:: Yes Lt.?

Cmdr_Vekh says:
Serok: The same feelings here Captain. How's the good Ganymede these days?

LtCmdr_Lys_Talan says:
:: wishes he had made the beginning of the conversation, even if command is not his chosen direction ::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
Isn't the Prime Directive already... um... broken? I mean by getting Federation citizens involved they essentially asked for our involvement.

Adm_Tracer says:
::Wonders if any will mention the only 2 factors that matter::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::nods to Fox that he was next in line to speak::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
Vekh:  Well, thank you.

Cmdr_Vekh says:
Serok: I'm glad to hear that

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Is it?  Doesn't the Prime Directive allow peaceful trade with technologically equal planets?  Don't forget.  We are talking about a planet at war.  Our weapons and supplies could very well dictate the course of their political sand social structure.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::points to Fox:: Cmdr, you had your hand up.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Looks to Captain K'Beth and then turns to Commander Fox.::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::Thinks: Obviously I don't get it, shrugs::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::sighs and whispers:: XO: Well I guess this is why I am here... ::laughs softly:: to learn...

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
K'Beth: Well, in my opinion, by staging a ground attack, or any kind of forceful rescue attempt, if the statistics hold true, then you are going to kill most if not all of the terrorists.  I would consider that a bigger violation than the temporary gift of some phasers.  But, I would like to know...What would YOU do Captain T'Kar?  ::Grins::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::laughs::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
Llewellyn: learning is a long path, Lt, and can lead us through the most unexpected landscapes. What we need is to be ready to appreciate the scenario

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Stops himself from speaking out and raising his hand.::

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::chuckles at Fox::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::holds up his hand at the mediator::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Turns to the Captain and seems like he's about to speak, but stops himself.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::chuckles:: I would be asking myself the exact same things I'm asking you.  ::sobers up:: But in actuality...I would probably go in for the ground force.  Terrorists are not to be trusted and whose to say that once they get the weapons, they still won't kill the hostages.

CEO_LtJG_Irvin says:
::takes a seat in the back of the room::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Raises his hand.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::turns to the CEO:: yes, Cmdr. ::nods to Cmdr Vehk that she saw him and he was next::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Stands up.:: K'Beth: Well, I've come to the conclusion that time is of the essence in such matters.  Orders are orders and "I'm" being ordered to get the hostages at any costs.  So I would have to form Strike Teams that would overwhelm the terrorists... Also I would have the weapons that they want booby trapped so that they stun the terrorists upon command by the Strike Team leader.  Making sure that they seem functional to

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
K'Beth: Then I would seemingly give in to the Terrorist demands and give them the booby trapped weapons and have the Strike Forces on station.  The Strike Team leader would set off the booby traps and assault the terrorists with a backup team trying to setup a transporter lock on the hostages to transport them out while the strike begun...  Some what risky, but it does give the hostages their best chance.

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::nods at K'Beth::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Cocks his head to one side, thinking, "Well, not bad.  It could work if given the time to prepare."  ::Makes a couple of notes::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::looks at Xen and then at Corjet:: Xen: Interesting method of operation don't you think?

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
That's an interesting solution.  How would you booby trap the weapons and make sure that they were actually in the hands of the terrorists when detonated?

LtCmdr_Lys_Talan says:
:: can't help but think "the best laid plans..." ::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Nods. ::   Serena:  Yes...I would look at it more intellectually.

Capt-Royce says:
Serena:  Seems to me this is a no-win situation.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Smiles.:: K'Beth: Passive sensors could do the trick, but more than likely they would have them as they'd be happy and celebrating the fact that they've seemingly won.  But it is risky to say the least.  But time is of the essence and orders are orders.

Capt-Royce says:
Serena:  At least, at this moment.

RADM_Silek says:
::raises his eyebrow at the risky plan and finds it satisfactory::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::nods:: Very good.  ::points to Cmdr Vekh:: Cmdr, you had a comment?

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::chuckles at Silek's analytical face upon the Cmdr.' suggestion:: Self: How Vulcan of him

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Smiles and takes a seat.::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::wonders what the Orion next to her will say::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::raises:: Indeed seems that Cmdr Corjet here and myself would have attempted a similar plan

Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::jumps slightly as the baby kicks but grins::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::nods:: Xen: We lose on both sides it seems, but I have great difficulty in giving in to terrorists demands even if they may be temporary.

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Turns to Vekh and smiles.::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
Of faking the fact of 'giving in' to the terrorist to caught them off guard

Capt-Royce says:
:: Nods. ::  Serena:  So do I...but there are always more to a story.

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::makes a note on this scenario::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
However we'd be working on the assumption that the terrorists would have it crystal clear that the Federation always 'play nice', so there would be our chance to get them. However I see a problem

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Did you have a different way of 'faking out' the terrorists?

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
What would that be?

Cmdr_Vekh says:
Aside from the obvious risk, future operations like this, in a similar scenario, this solution would be thwarted if the new terrorist have learned that the Federation now can 'play tricks'

Cmdr_Vekh says:
What I would like to bring up is that we are talking about an isolated situation, but in the long run, we have also to consider the repercutions on future missions like that

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::nods:: And then we would have to think of new ways to deal with the next situation.

Cmdr_Vekh says:
If we break the rules once, then chaos gets in

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Raises his hand::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
To the point of we eventually running out of solutions Captain ::nods as he retakes his place::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Nods but knows that the present situation is what matters most and the lives of the Federation Citizens and 'your' orders.::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::leans over to Xen: Xen: We never break the rules right? ::winks::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::points to Fox:: Yes Cmdr?

Capt-Royce says:
:: Stifles a giggle... ::   Serena:  Oh...sure!   :: Smiles at her. ::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
All: And the point of this seminar that we haven't mentioned yet is:  As a commander you must make these decisions, consider these options, and implement what you think is best.  And, in the end, often there is only one right solution...And you won't know what it is until the mission is over.  You just pray it's the same as yours.

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::nods in agreement with Cmdr. Lynam::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
:: nods ::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Smiles. ::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
:nods in agreement::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Sighs and disagrees with the 'one solution' as there are many solutions to any given problem.::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
This has been a very small taste of sitting in the 'big chair' and of course there are dozens of small things that aren't mentioned.  The fact that Captains must constantly update themselves on the newest technology.  That they must memorize and know about each person on their crew.  That often they must be father and mother to homesick ensigns.

Capt-Royce says:
:: Smiles as she well knows about that last statement. ::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
:: nods ::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
That we are often given impossible solutions with no happy outcome.  But that we are also given opportunities that people can only dream of.  To explore territories and new finds.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
The job description for CO is simply written as command of a starship or station.  But that involves many if not everything.  But the biggest responsibility of any CO is to always portray someone who is respectful and courteous to even the lowest ranks. And above all, to understand that they are in command  not of positions and computers...

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::cant imagine him babysitting for FCO B'lee::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::whispers:: Xen: And play animal control officer once in a while too. ::smiles::

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::as having been a CNS, thought that was her job... taking care of home sick ensigns::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
but of people and not everything goes by the book.

Capt-Royce says:
:: Giggles ::   Serena:  How true!

Capt-Royce says:
:: Remembers hearing about a hamster let loose on her bridge... ::

RADM_Silek says:
::nods in agreement::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
:: nods in agreement ::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
I want to thank you all for coming.  You have been extremely insightful into your comments and solutions.

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::applauds::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Claps politely. ::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Smiles and applauds.::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Applauds, knowing the Del is in good hands::

XO_Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::Claps and then Stands up arching her back slightly.  Moves to the back of the room to grab a cup of Earl Grey tea::

Cmdr_Vekh says:
::tags on the applause as he raises:: CIV: Coming to the Main Hall?

LtCmdr_Lys_Talan says:
:: applauds warmly ::

CO_West says:
::Stands and begins to clap::

Capt-Royce says:
Serena:  A good seminar.  Good for the up and coming XO's and Cmdrs.

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::smiles at Vekh::  XO:I was just about to ask you the same

LtCmdr_Lys_Talan says:
:: stands and exits the room ::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::grins and nods in thanks as she gathers up her PADDs on the podium::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
:: walks over to her husband ::

Capt-Royce says:
:: Stands. ::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
Xen: Yes, excellent ideas put forth too.

Capt-Royce says:
:: Nods. ::

Capt_Ahkileez says:
::leans off the wall and walks out, smiling to himself::

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Smiles as he nods to everyone.::

CO_West says:
::Begins to nod and greet some of the other officers as she stands to leave the seminar::

Capt-Royce says:
Serena:  Excuse me a moment, Captain.  I'd like to congratulate the host.

Lt_CIV_Llewellyn says:
::walks out with him to the main hall::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
Xen: Of course.

Capt-Royce says:
:: Moves and approaches K'Beth. ::   K'Beth:  Excellent seminar, Captain!

RADM_Silek says:
::nods to his wife:: Serok: A most insightful seminar...

Cmdr_Vekh says:
CIV: lets go them. ::nods a good-bye to his former crewmates Serok and Silek::

Cmdr-Fox_Lynam says:
::Stands up and watches the crowd leave, notices Sykora is pregnant, and K'Beth seems perfectly natural as a Captain.::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::walks towards the exit looking around::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
Silek:  Indeed it was.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::smiles:: Thank you.  I enjoyed giving it.

Capt-Royce says:
K'Beth:  I have to admit, I was here last night, but was distracted with demands from my ship.

XO_Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::turns and looks at the crowd as she sipped the tea::

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::nods to Admirals Tracer and Ferrone::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::chuckles:: I know how that can go.

Capt-Royce says:
K'Beth:  It was a pleasure to attend your seminar.  However, I must now attend to my ship.   :: Smiles ::

Adm_Tracer says:
::Nods:: Sheridan: Hello Captain

Capt-Royce says:
:: Turns and leaves the hall. ::

CEO_LtJG_Irvin says:
::walks over to Captain K`Beth::  K`Beth: Have you considered teaching at the Academy?  I wish you had been there as a professor when I was there.

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
Tracer: Admiral, did you enjoy the seminar?

CEO_Cmdr_Corjet says:
::Grabs his Engineer's PADD and smiles as he walks out.::

Adm_Tracer says:
Sheridan: Yes, Good to see what command thinks

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::grins:: Thank you Lt.  But I really don't want to leave my ship.

CEO_LtJG_Irvin says:
::smiles::  K`Beth: and with good reason as it would seem from your seminars....

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
Tracer: Yes it was. Well good evening Admiral.

XO_Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::walks back over to help her CO out::  K'Beth: Excellent Job Captain!

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
XO: Thanks...have you met the Lt.  Seems he has an eye for command...and an aptitude from some of his answers...

Capt_S_Sheridan says:
::exits the room feeling slightly fatigued::

CEO_LtJG_Irvin says:
Capt: Well, I'm growing as we all are....

CEO_LtJG_Irvin says:
::smiles::

XO_Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::Turns and smiles:: Irvin: Lt, nice to meet you.  I am Sykora Tarrez XO of the Del ::Extends a hand::

Adm_Ferrone says:
::coughs:: I'm retiring to the main hall.  ::waves::

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  Thank you for that most insightful seminar.  Good job.

CEO_LtJG_Irvin says:
::shakes hand::  XO: Nice to make your acquaintance.  

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Serok: Thank you, I enjoyed giving it.

XO_Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::smiles:: Lt: What ship do you hail from?

CO_Capt_Serok says:
K`Beth:  Nice to meet you Captain.  But, I have pressing duties.  I hope to meet you again.  Live long and prosper.

CEO_LtJG_Irvin says:
XO: USS Pharaoh sir.  Chief Engineer.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
Serok: Live long and Prosper, Captain.

CO_Capt_Serok says:
:: walks out of the room ::

XO_Cmdr_Tarrez says:
Lt: Ah the Pharaoh.   I have heard many good things about her.  She is a fine ship.

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
XO/CEO: Well if you will excuse me.  I need to talk to Admiral Ferrone.  Cmdr, I'll see you later.  Lt.  Hopefully I will see you around the Main Hall tomorrow...

XO_Cmdr_Tarrez says:
::nods::

Host Capt_K`Beth says:
::gathers up her PADDs and exits::

**********************************************************************************************